New feeding article based on recent field studies

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Re: New feeding article based on recent field studies

Postby Jonesy » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:34 pm

I would think that the Testudo Fibre would probably be the best.
Look in the Pre Alpen Products under the nutrition and feeding section on the main page of this forum for prices etc.
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Re: New feeding article based on recent field studies

Postby beaupeep29 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:26 pm

OK, sounds good, thank you!
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Re: New feeding article based on recent field studies

Postby Stuart » Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:45 pm

I followed this thread in December, and have just re-read Andy's article, which is a compelling argument for going one stage further in our desire to get nearer to a natural diet for our charges. Those who know have moved from "lettuce and tomatoes" to "weeds" and now we're being challenged/encouraged to move to seasonal variation and more dried plants.

I've just spent what seemed like hours re-reading a very long thread on Shelled Warriors which discusses (along with a few side-issues!) the merits or otherwise of the Pre-Alpin products.

I don't want to rake over old ground, nor necessarily challenge Andy's recommendations or Linda's business, but before ordering anything, I thought I'd just check out one or two things.

Looking at the info provided by Agrobs themselves on
http://www.agrobs.de/en/products/Tortoises.htm
I can't detect any difference between the three products in terms of plant contents, although clearly the "Baby" is more finely ground up. [Presumably that's OK as hatchlings are supposed to grow a bit faster at the outset, so the finer particles in this product aren't entirely incompatible with the general argument that bigger bits=slower digestion=longer-lasting energy release and slower growth?]

Furthermore, grasses seem to predominate in the list of plants, and whilst Agrobs claim that even the original Testudo is "suitable for all tortoises" (my emphasis) I wonder how true that is? [One of the arguments against a certain well-known but controversial commercial pellet is that the "one size fits all" claim is erroneous] I can imagine the Pre Alpin would be fine for known grazers such as leopards and stars, but perhaps less good for hermanns and tgg/i which we might suppose are its main target? My tgi only occasionally takes a few mouthfuls of fresh grass, my hermanns even less occasionally. (Or is the rationale behind including grasses that in high summer even they will be consumed by hungry tortoises on a limited natural diet?)

So, does anyone know if there are there are really more herbs (species and/or proportion) in the ""Herbs" than in the basic "Testudo," since the contents list seems identical?

Someone on SW offers a collection of separate dried flowers and plants, and I just wonder if in some ways that approach might actually be a better option than Pre-Alpin if the latter is in fact too grass-based?
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Re: New feeding article based on recent field studies

Postby Tortoise Trust » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:27 pm

I do not think we have fully enough data to be sure... but... these products are a real improvement on what has been available previously. I have no doubt they can be improved further.
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Re: New feeding article based on recent field studies

Postby Joan » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:12 pm

Andy, these are three designed to be part of a rabbit's diet from a reputable dog and cat food company. It's not sold as tortoise food although a member of their staff that I spoke to said she fed it to her tortoise! :?

I've often wondered if it would be suitable as part of a tortoise diet? The fibre content is 12.8% 14.9% and 17.31% respectively.

http://burnspet.co.uk/products/small-an ... ntain.html

http://burnspet.co.uk/products/small-an ... elion.html

http://burnspet.co.uk/products/small-an ... sfoot.html
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Re: New feeding article based on recent field studies

Postby AliTBimbo » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:58 pm

If it was suitable, the prices are certainly inviting - but I can't see how much in weight it is for anywhere.
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Re: New feeding article based on recent field studies

Postby Brenda Vernon » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:30 pm

On Amazon it says that it is 100g.

They also have organic dried dandelion which is cheaper. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Herbs-Garden-He ... B003UG8U94
It would be interesting to hear Andy's comments re suitability

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Re: New feeding article based on recent field studies

Postby Stuart » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:34 pm

Joan wrote:Andy, these are three designed to be part of a rabbit's diet from a reputable dog and cat food company. It's not sold as tortoise food although a member of their staff that I spoke to said she fed it to her tortoise! :?

I've often wondered if it would be suitable as part of a tortoise diet? The fibre content is 12.8% 14.9% and 17.31% respectively.

http://burnspet.co.uk/products/small-an ... ntain.html

http://burnspet.co.uk/products/small-an ... elion.html

http://burnspet.co.uk/products/small-an ... sfoot.html


What about the fourth product they've listed: meadow mix...?
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Re: New feeding article based on recent field studies

Postby Brenda Vernon » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:51 pm

Stuart birch tree leaf and willow bark are listed as ingredients in the meadow mix. I doubt that this would be suitable for tortoise.
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Re: New feeding article based on recent field studies

Postby Stuart » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:17 pm

natural source of aspirin, willow bark.....not sure I'd want to give it to my rabbit either!
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