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Postby Tortoise Trust » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:13 am

I do have one more question for anyone who uses Mazuri products :D

How confident are you in the formulation expertise of this company and the quality of their products?

Presumably you must have some confidence or you would not touch them with a bargepole?
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Re: Mazuri Products

Postby Eversfield » Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:46 am

Tortoise Trust wrote:I do have one more question for anyone who uses Mazuri products :D

How confident are you in the formulation expertise of this company and the quality of their products?

Presumably you must have some confidence or you would not touch them with a bargepole?

As it is used by a large number of European Zoo's, for their precious collections, I suspect that this question is best addressed to the bank of Veterinary specialists, and professional nutritionists based in this sector :?:
At the British Chelonia group Symposium last October held at Chester Zoo, where this subject was brought up, I seem to recall some very positive comments made specifically by an International Zoo Vet; Johanna Strong.
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Re: Mazuri Products

Postby Tortoise Trust » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:06 am

Those are what I call 'secondhand' opinions, Paul. i.e., so-and-so says something is OK so it must be so. You have no doubt been around long enough to remember (for example) when Cotswold Wildlife Park (heavily involved in tortoises at the time) were recommending feeding Mediterranean tortoises "day old chicks, spratts, bones and all" (direct quote from their advice). This was propagated by an "eminent chelonian expert" and endorsed by several (not just one) zoo vets! So of course should be reliable and valid going by your logic there...

It was (of course) a total disaster. We had quite a row with them at the time over this. The final outcome was that very few animals raised on that much-endorsed regime survived, and the few that did were horribly deformed. I think I still have some photos somewhere.

So, I think it preferable not to rely 100% on what others say (no matter how - allegedly - expert they might be) but to look at the facts for yourself, analyse the evidence, and draw your own conclusions.
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Re: Mazuri Products

Postby Tortoise Trust » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:35 am

Eversfield wrote: As it is used by a large number of European Zoo's, for their precious collections, I suspect that this question is best addressed to the bank of Veterinary specialists, and professional nutritionists based in this sector :?:


Just to clarify... no it isn't. It is addressed to you and other people who actually use it on their own animals.
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Re: Mazuri Products

Postby Tortoise Trust » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:04 pm

No-one else using this then?

Anyone else know who devised this regime (I'm referring to 23% protein pellets and canned tomatoes with no fresh drinking water)? You will not find it discussed or analysed in any reputable journal or publication... there is absolutely nothing online anywhere that discloses how this was dreamed up, what trials have been done, independently analyses the results, or indeed which even names anyone involved in "developing" it and promoting it. You would certainly expect some serious analysis of something so radical.... at least I am sure you can rely on the fact that they must be highly experienced, genuinely well respected reptile keepers with loads of publications on herp nutrition and a brilliant track record in promoting the welfare of tortoises... or possibly not?

Weird, eh? The mystery deepens.... :geek:
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Re: Mazuri Products

Postby Eversfield » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:13 pm

Tortoise Trust wrote:
Eversfield wrote: As it is used by a large number of European Zoo's, for their precious collections, I suspect that this question is best addressed to the bank of Veterinary specialists, and professional nutritionists based in this sector :?:


Just to clarify... no it isn't. It is addressed to you and other people who actually use it on their own animals.


Are you saying, that no Zoo's or institutions are using these products?
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Re: Mazuri Products

Postby Tortoise Trust » Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:31 pm

Zoos will use all kinds of rubbish diets, for a variety of reasons, including (but not limited to):

* Convenience
* Ignorance
* Inducements (sponsorships, 'freebies' and grants - something Mazuri are very heavily involved in, by the way). Mazuri sponsor the TSA, among other things..

You will no doubt recall we have published photos of truly diabolical diets (and general husbandry) at multiple zoos... so, the argument that a zoo using something must mean it is wonderful does not really fly with me, I'm afraid.

My question was simple and straightforward. Who precisely developed this very peculiar combination and where can any publications or reports on it be consulted? Anything at all? Veterinary press? Wildlife management journals?
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Re: Mazuri Products

Postby ONielsen » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:06 pm

I wouldnt touch it for my meds.

Imo its not meant for meds! ( if any animal at all !)
Typical US product which comes in colors and flavors!!??
Apart from the kidney props they eventually will get due to the large amount of protein
Ive seen "overgrowing" beaks to often.But then again its close to the parrotfood from same comp.
so it might be for animals with beaks. :)

When I have to use something else than fresh weeds/plants/flowers
there is another german product which I prefer.
Thats in late winter/early spring for the hatchlings.
Yes, its alot of work finding fresh food for 50-75 meds , but thats the price for this wonderfull hobby.
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Re: Mazuri Products

Postby Brenda Vernon » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:25 pm

Is that a Box plant growing in your tortoise enclosure in photograph 6? I thought they were toxic.
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Re: Mazuri Products

Postby Tortoise Trust » Thu Mar 03, 2011 9:30 pm

It is even higher in protein than their primate diet...

23% vs. 22%.
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