This is all very depressing.
And frustrating, and infuriating.
TT meat-eaters will find this distressing.
As another TT vegetarian, I find it all of the above, and also...incomprehensible.
Hermanns (old female and 5 home-bred offspring), iberas (two), kbn (rescue), leopard, horsfield (rescue), stars (2 - long term loan), red-eared sliders (5)