Centro Carapax - Official Letter from TT

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Re: Centro Carapax - Official Letter from TT

Postby Eversfield » Sun Apr 19, 2009 4:55 pm

A very sorry affair indeed, if you read further down on the same web page, it was only last week, that Donato Ballasina was claiming 17000 Tortoises and Turtles, they seem to have lost 3000 in just one week??
The truth is this poorly managed project has been out of control for some considerable time, and hopefully now the University of Pisa, who have been appointed as scientific advisers too the centre will act in a much more responsible manner and sort this horrid mess out.
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Re: Centro Carapax - Official Letter from TT

Postby Tamie Milne » Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:34 pm

3000 tortoises/turtles is alot to 'lose' in the space of a week ..... makes you wonder doesn't?!

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Re: Centro Carapax - Official Letter from TT

Postby Rom » Sun Apr 19, 2009 10:23 pm

This is just the first step in the damn awful business. Dont forget he may also have involvement in the in the adventure in southern Italy to breed more exotic animals lets hope that is shut down also.
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Re: Centro Carapax - Official Letter from TT

Postby Tamie Milne » Mon Apr 20, 2009 4:58 pm

Rom wrote:This is just the first step in the damn awful business. Dont forget he may also have involvement in the in the adventure in southern Italy to breed more exotic animals lets hope that is shut down also.


What is the name of that 'adventure'? Do you know what 'exotic animals' are being bred there?

Perhaps that accounts for the sudden reduction of animals?!

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Re: Centro Carapax - Official Letter from TT

Postby urbantortoise-Jane » Mon Apr 20, 2009 7:45 pm

It is such a sad state of affairs and although I am glad that they may finally be stopped, I am really concerned for the future of the however many thousands of tortoies and turtles. It seems it may end in tears. :cry:
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Re: Centro Carapax - Official Letter from TT

Postby Eversfield » Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:28 pm

I have had correspondence again today from Pisa University, from the new Scientific advisor to the Authority that has taken control of the site. He assures me that Animal welfare and Husbandry are a priority, and they will provide a report and update within the next couple of weeks in respect of the intentions of the new management. This should allay immediate concerns, and give assurance that the situation is in control.
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Re: Centro Carapax - Official Letter from TT

Postby Eversfield » Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:31 am

Tamie Milne wrote:
Rom wrote:This is just the first step in the damn awful business. Dont forget he may also have involvement in the in the adventure in southern Italy to breed more exotic animals lets hope that is shut down also.


What is the name of that 'adventure'? Do you know what 'exotic animals' are being bred there?

Perhaps that accounts for the sudden reduction of animals?!

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TORTUCA, but at the moment, this is just a plan/dream!
At 5 pm the RANA group and the Dutch Turtle Foundation presented the new TORTUCA project : TORtoises and other Reptiles and TUrtles Conservation Actions and CAptive breeding .It will become a hugh exotic rescue and breeding centre to be realised in Scarlino in Tuscany. At the preparation of this project have collaborated many experts from Europe (Italy, France, Switserland, Netherlands, Belgium, Czech Republic) and the USA.



A basis agreement has been reached with the American company HUNTSMAN and the Italian company NUOVA SOLMINE who's direction was present at CARAPAX and with Italy's largest greenhouse builder SERRE CAMPIONI. The project foresees the intake and rescuing of many exotic reptiles like crocodiles, chelonians, lizards, monitor lizards, snakes. It will be a professional rescue centre for CITES authorities to place confiscated herps.The necessity is becoming higher and higher with the new ligislation and the new expected EU directive on allochtone faune. For the CARAPAX Centre also this will be a solution as it contains already more than 16.000 Chelonians, 60% of which are exotic species.Moreover it will give CARAPAX and the other Mediterranean Centres the possibility to stick more on their speciality: Mediterranean threatend species.



The basis of the project is a land management project of 2003 involving the EU, the Italian Ministry of Environment, the Tuscan region, the SOLMINE group with a total budget of 6.3 million Euro.

The principle is simpel: we use the hot water (not polluted) of the 2 industries to heat a mega green house that will be build on industrial ground.

The greenhouse will host 3000 reptiles. A part will be open to the public, while another part will be reserved for breeding of IUCN red Data list species.

The partners are international, the main partner being French specialised in the keeping and breeding of Crocodiles, the British Chelonia Group (already involved with the red ear rescue scheme) and the Dutch Stichting Schildpad.

The total investment for the new project is around 5 million Euro. the project will give work to 35-50 persons and some 200.000 visitors on year basis are foreseen.

The TORTUCA partners presented already in 2005-2006 the project in it's embrional phase (SWC) at the Maire of Scarlino and got the support of the special councellor to the Italian Minister of Environment and the Belgian Minister of Environment who visited peresonally the area.
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Re: Centro Carapax - Official Letter from TT

Postby Tortoise Trust » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:57 am

A big project for people with one disaster already on their hands, and key people facing criminal charges.....

Not exactly confidence inspiring, I'd suggest.

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Re: Centro Carapax - Official Letter from TT

Postby Rom » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:10 am

Hopefully at least some of the letters written to their ministers in support CARAPAX closure will have filtered through.
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Re: Centro Carapax - Official Letter from TT

Postby beckyzazou » Thu May 14, 2009 9:52 pm

A very well written letter.

hope someone sits up now!!

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